Wendell Berry: The first characteristic of a plan is that it won't work.
Steve Jobs: I don't feel that way. The question is, what's next?
Berry: Everything has to be included and considered.
Jobs: Oh, sure. Because otherwise, you go crazy.
Berry: You must submit to the agony of being made perfect yourself, and that's terrifying and extremely difficult.
Jobs: We're not best friends, but we talk maybe once a month.
Berry: But that kind of effort obviously isn't enough.
Jobs: I don't know. I wonder what game show I'm going to be on.
Berry: Obviously you can't know without doing or do without knowing.
Jobs: I go get your clothes laundered, I jump back in the cab, I get back here.
Berry: It's left out of the accounting. Shorten the supply lines.
Jobs: Now it takes five minutes. You have no idea how I did that.
Berry: The rewards come.
Jobs: No question about it. The world's clearly a better place.
Berry: Where are we going to find jobs? Because you can't recover what's lost.
Jobs: But I don't think it matters. I don't want to talk about this kind of stuff.
Berry: Well, we'll just kill all of the coyotes.
Jobs: Too many people know how to do it.
Berry: And that won't work. People have tried to simplify themselves by severing the connections. Severing connections makes complication.
Jobs: Well, life is always a little more complicated than it appears to be.